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 Post subject: Fed up with Vista
PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 5:35 am 
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_Something_ broke yesterday afternoon. Popped out for about an hour, came back, found the computer had gone into a sort of coma-like state - still on, still active, couldn't be woken, wasn't responding to even the power switch. So, force power down and reboot.

Since then -
* I actually get a desktop on boot maximum 50% of the time. The rest of the time I get a blank desktop that won't even respond to Ctrl-Alt-Del. Safe mode hasn't worked once.
* Every time, it freezes on shut down.
* Windows update can see the updates and start downloading, but says it's never getting anything (which appears to be true).
* Windows Defender won't update or run
* The systray says the network isn't connected and the control panel network manager won't start up. It is, however, demonstrably connected to the Internet through that network.
* The task manager appears to start up and put the icon in the systray, but that's the end of it. It shows no activity and won't show its interface.
* System restore won't let me in, just sits there scanning.

What was changed before this? Tried to set up bluetooth to connect to my phone, which failed and so has been removed. Nothing else at all in weeks. With hundreds of photos to edit from this week and likely many, many more from this weeked I could really have done without this.

Hate to suggest it's a virus - I'm running updated antivirus and a firewall - but this does look very like something trying to protect itself from removal.

Heading out in a mo, but I foresee hours of playing with recovery discs that I hope I can find this evening.

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 Post subject: Re: Fed up with Vista
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Ouch :shock:

I have vista on my light weight work laptop - the one I take on customer visits (it's small and weighs less than 1kg). I only run outlook and office on it really as well as web browsing, but the performance of it is awful.

I bought a "photography" laptop last year and based on my experience with Vista, I opted for an XP installation. Thankfully it's lightning fast and extremely stable.

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 Post subject: Re: Fed up with Vista
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Hi Greg

I don't (and won't) run Vista, so I can't be of much help, but the first thing I would try is to unplug everything except keyboard/monitor/mouse. That'll reduce the amount of work it has to do while booting. Once it's up (if it works), then plug stuff back in one at a time. If that doesn't work, then I would repeat the process, except delete all the devices from the hardware manager before reconnecting them.

I have a Sony GPS tracker that I was using to geotag my photos (using a Garmin Oregon 300 now). My machine won't boot at all with the Sony plugged in. Once the machine is running though, I can plug it in and everything's fine.

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 Post subject: Re: Fed up with Vista
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That's a common problem. You can read all about the solution at http://www.ubuntu.com or http://www.apple.com

On my PC I use ubuntu dual booting with win XP. On my mac it's OS X + Win XP. I've used vista on other people's computers and I wouldn't even consider ever using it. It's awful.

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 Post subject: Re: Fed up with Vista
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Sadly a) I was stuck with Vista, couldn't opt for for XP when I got it (though until this I wasn't overly concerned about that, swings and roundabouts against XP IMHO) and b) it's a laptop so no way to unplug things.

I tried some bits before going out for the afternoon but it didn't get a desktop once. Think this is rapidly heading towards a recovery disk :-(

The really annoying thing is that I do now have a home server of sorts (a cheap recon desktop with lots of sharing options and wake on lan set up) - if I hadn't had an odd problem with an external drive (you can see it's really not been my week) I'd have got all my documents moved across to running network-based by now and have the laptop hosting nothing but my email. Long-term, I'm honestly wondering about writing my own email client / server system so I could get something like Exchange's local cached mode on a home-suitable scale.

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 Post subject: Re: Fed up with Vista
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Can you step back to a previous restore point?

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 Post subject: Re: Fed up with Vista
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walter23 wrote:
That's a common problem. You can read all about the solution at http://www.ubuntu.com or http://www.apple.com

On my PC I use ubuntu dual booting with win XP. On my mac it's OS X + Win XP. I've used vista on other people's computers and I wouldn't even consider ever using it. It's awful.

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I run Windows for two reasons -
1. After years of fighting for something better to get momentum, I gave up. Life's too short, the others have far too little software IME and both have significant flaws themselves.
2. I write Windows software for a living. It'd be far harder for me to stay up to speed with the skills that pay for my toys if I didn't run Windows at home.

And anyway, what exactly is so horrible about Vista? User access control? I like the better security, and that you can finally actually use a non-administrator account for day-to-day computing. The interface? I turn aero glass off and leave it on the old-style stuff, just as I did with XP. Performance? It's not much slower when the fancy visuals are turned off, and pretty much every version has been slower than what came before (as with most software). Software compatibility? I've had two problems, one with software designed for Windows 3 that was already unstable on XP and another with one particular tool in Paint Shop Pro 8. Largely otherwise it's been fine (until this, which I find it difficult to believe you saw on your friends' PCs), and I do find other benefits.

One thing I will complain about though is the different handling of Windows Update. I hadn't twigged before that it wouldn't even tell you there were updates if you didn't log in as an admin, which meant there was a large backlog because I hadn't otherwise had any need to go in for some time. It seems to me it'd make more sense to alert users to the upgrades and require the admin password, as for other jobs. But again, I doubt you saw that on your friends' PCs.


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Can you step back to a previous restore point?

Doubt it. Desktop wasn't coming up at all earlier, and when it was going to system restore just left it sitting there searching - much like Windows Update, which was another option I was wondering about for fixing things.

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 Post subject: Re: Fed up with Vista
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Even with XP I used to have that issue.

What was it...windows NT was the only operating system that they put out that did not have 'sleep' issues with waking the system back up.

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 Post subject: Re: Fed up with Vista
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I've had XP go to sleep when it shouldn't have before, but for a force reboot to then produce a system that either won't boot or is seriously crippled when it does is a new one to me.

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 Post subject: Re: Fed up with Vista
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In this weeks computer world there was a side article about users uninstalling Vista and loading an older version of XP. Apparently licensed versions of vista can be bought for $50 US. I haven't bought a new PC for a while and am not looking forward to moving to Vista. It seems like I should be able to use the version of XP from my old PC when I do upgrade hardware, it is becoming harder and harder to find an OEM that will install XP as an alternative to Vista.

Good luck with the restores.

Another side note.

I gave an apple LC2 to a friend of mine 14 years ago or so. I was talking to him last night and the darn thing is still running. He can only run the software he has had for years but the kids like a few of the games on there and it is a great homework machine as long as you only need the printer and the text editor apple works I think.

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 Post subject: Re: Fed up with Vista
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There are still downgrade disks out but you need to hassle your manufacturer for them.

I run vista to run serato scratch live (DJ application that allows turntables with 'control records' to play digital music) which is obviously something that I can't have crashing out on me halfway through a job.
As yet I have never had one single crash (in 2 years) And have upgraded every computer in my house to vista since.

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