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Just got one on E-bay for $1000, the Pro 150U, which takes 120 film, has 5 mm of shift, has multi-exposure mode, and which produces 6x12 panoramas with a 146 degree angle of view without fish-like distortion. It should arrive within the week.

It's not that I needed to spend this kind of money right now, esp as I'm also buying this drum scanner and I don't have very much time for photography pursuits. But I've been watching Noblex auctions for a long time and I've never seen a 150-series one go for less than $1500.

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Should be a fun toy.

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Yeah, I have tons of ideas for it. And it's portable enough to take on trips and shoot handheld.

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 Post subject: Re: Noblex
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It's coming tomorrow. If it arrives early enough I may be able to put a roll of film through it and have it developed locally by Friday. I'm home with the baby tomorrow, though, so just depends on his needs.

In addition to standard stuff with the Noblex, I really want to find opportunities to take portraits with it. Remember that despite having a 146 degree diagonal and 135 degree lateral angle of view, it's still a 50mm lens and has that perspective. So on a 50x120mm negative it's actually only a slightly wide perspective. So there isn't any perspective distortion, which means that it should be easy to take great environmental portraits that include a lot of background.

I also want to try some vertical panos. We'll see.

Incidentally, my drum scanner is probably going to get here in a few weeks. I have to coordinate its delivery with when I'll be home, because it's so big.

In the meantime check this guy out. He uses a Noblex 150. Ridiculous stuff, some of it is breathtaking.

http://www.macduffeverton.com/fineart/p ... allery.htm

http://www.macduffeverton.com/fineart/WHColoradoPl.htm

http://www.macduffeverton.com/fineart/W ... Plains.htm

http://www.macduffeverton.com/fineart/WHRockyMtns.htm

http://www.macduffeverton.com/fineart/WHPacNW.htm

http://www.macduffeverton.com/fineart/WHCalifornia.htm

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Ooh. Serious skill! :shock: On my watch list he goes....

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 Post subject: Re: Noblex
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Cool, it arrived yesterday.

Now I've got to find a way to unload my TS-E 24 to pay for it.

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Me and my pano
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Wherever we go, every one knows
It's me and my pano

Me and my pano
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Wherever we go, everyone knows
It's me and my pano...


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nice...

My dad used to sing that song to me when I was little.

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Paul,

Have I mentioned lately how much you suck??? :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

I'd love to be able to afford one, someday, when I make my millions shooting crappy product. For now, I'll have to settle for using my 90 SA on 8x10 and cropping.

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 Post subject: Re: Noblex
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Erie, I got this one for $1000 on E-bay. It's pretty rare to find one for that low, but if you watch E-bay and Craigslist for long enough you'll find one. If you're willing to put down $1500 you can find one of the 150 models (6x12 format) pretty routinely.

On Craigslist there is someone in Brazil listing a 175 model (the 6x17 format) for under US$1000, but he didn't respond to my e-mails. The 150s actually have a wider angle of view, and 6x12 can be enlarged on a 4x5 enlarger, so that was my preference anyway.

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Paul, you do realize that the reason why that noblex went for so little is that it has a thorium-doped lens. It's too dangerous for you to use, especially if you are fathering children. Therefore you should send it to me for proper disposal.

Actually, Erie, I have a friend with the Russian noblex ripoff and it works quite well. Mind you, he only does b&w, so he can't comment on colour rendition, and I suspect that is where the russkies fall short.

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Keithwms wrote:
Paul, you do realize that the reason why that noblex went for so little is that it has a thorium-doped lens. It's too dangerous for you to use, especially if you are fathering children. Therefore you should send it to me for proper disposal.
Thank god, I've been wondering where I could find a socially responsible physicist to take this ticking time bomb off my hands.

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Actually, Erie, I have a friend with the Russian noblex ripoff and it works quite well. Mind you, he only does b&w, so he can't comment on colour rendition, and I suspect that is where the russkies fall short.
There are three (that I know of) alternatives to Noblex. One is the Sietz Roundshot, which can do 360 degree (or whatever you want) panoramas, but it's very large and very expensive. The Russian one is the Horizon, and there is also the Widelux. Aside from some differences in available shutter speeds, multi-exposure capability, etc, the main problem is uneven rotation speed of the lens -- this can cause a banding effect along the picture. I'm not sure either of these will take MF film.

If you have access to a very good scanner I'd sooner get a Noblex 135 (35mm) than a Horizon or Widelux.

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I don't know if this counts as an alternative to the Noblex, but I saw a Fuji 6x17 rangefinder in a local store. MONSTER camera. Just amazingly huge. It actually looks more impressive, from a Big Weird Piece of Gear standpoint, than most 8x10 or other similar cameras just because of the ginormous (spell checker lets that one pass, but bitches about Canadian spelling? anyway..) rangefinder form factor.

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It's basically a 5x7 camera cropped down to 6x17. That doesn't make it wide angle -- it just makes it panoramic aspect ratio. How wide it is depends on your lens, but you're only going to get so wide with rectilinear lenses, and you're going to have perspective distortion even on perfect superwides. A Schneider 47mm lens on 4x5 gives you 110 degrees of coverage with extreme distortion, and I doubt you can go any wider than that on 5x7 -- plus you'd be cropping down to 6x17 anyway. The Noblex gives you 146 degrees of coverage with no perspective distortion.

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Paul, you do realize that the reason why that noblex went for so little is that it has a thorium-doped lens. It's too dangerous for you to use, especially if you are fathering children. Therefore you should send it to me for proper disposal.
Thank god, I've been wondering where I could find a socially responsible physicist to take this ticking time bomb off my hands...




No need to give up the Noblex. Thorium is easily blocked by a sheet of .032" thick lead sheet. The lead is very soft so a ball peen hammer can be used to shape it to fit in a "hard cup" jock strap. At that point you only need to remember to put on the jock strap before opening your case. (Also line your case.)

NOTE: This will also make you safe from Vorium, Stedium, and Rascium--even in trace amounts.

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Packard I'm not concerned about Paul's family jewels, I'm more worried about his wife....

Anyway, since she works in radio, you guys have probably reconciled yourselves to two-headed children anyway.

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Keithwms wrote:
Packard I'm not concerned about Paul's family jewels, I'm more worried about his wife....

Anyway, since she works in radio, you guys have probably reconciled yourselves to two-headed children anyway.



A perfect excuse for whipping out the Noblex--catch both heads in a single shot...

(For those that have not been following the Dr. Pablo saga, "radio" does not mean that she is a DJ or an announcer or even the weather girl, she works in radiology.)

"Hello, this is Gretchen here with our top 50 countdown from 1984..."

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Packard wrote:

"Hello, this is Gretchen here with our top 50 countdown from 1984..."


... now hold still. <click brrrt brrt brrrt buzzzzzzz> <click brrrt buzzzunk> <click brrrrt buzzunk brrtzzt>

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We're still waiting for shots, Paul.

Noblex oblige.

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Keithwms wrote:
We're still waiting for shots, Paul.

Noblex oblige.


Your French has been a bit dicey lately Keith.

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We're still waiting for shots, Paul.
Yeah, me too. I actually put a roll through it, but it will be probably 2 weeks before I'll have a chance to get it developed.

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After checking out the above link ... I feel like a child. If I could create images similar to that guys ... hell ... wouldn't have a problem with a few two headed children. (I think a balled-peened cup is always a good thing to have ... put it next to my snake bite kit and thermo nuclear newspaper shelter.)

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Wow...

Just got a roll of E100VS back that I ran through the Noblex. Not great shots, just test shots from the driveway of the front of the house.

Aside from being a ridiculously wide lens, which makes my Tokina 12-24 look like a telephoto birding lens, and aside from being completely and totally free of any perspective distortion, I have to say that Ken Rockwell was right in his review when he said that the Noblex lenses are "perfect". And this camera is hand-holdable, too.

I could scan the shots, but my drum scanner is coming soon and I have a bunch of other stuff to do. I'll post some scans soon, though.

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Wow...

Just got a roll of E100VS back that I ran through the Noblex. Not great shots, just test shots from the driveway of the front of the house.

Aside from being a ridiculously wide lens, which makes my Tokina 12-24 look like a telephoto birding lens, and aside from being completely and totally free of any perspective distortion, I have to say that Ken Rockwell was right in his review when he said that the Noblex lenses are "perfect". And this camera is hand-holdable, too.

I could scan the shots, but my drum scanner is coming soon and I have a bunch of other stuff to do. I'll post some scans soon, though.


It is properly written, "Wow!!!"

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