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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:18 am 
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We have done this type of challenge before but it has been a long time so here we go.

I was reading an article recently, and I wish I had it in front of me to explain this challenge here is my best attempt at what the author was trying to say.

As photographers we live in a world of rules sunny 16 from the old film days and it still works with digital. Rule of 3rds. landscape photogs are always told to place something of interest in the foreground. Portraits should be lit on the short side of the face, your histogram should be a perfect bell curve with no clipping of the highlights or shadows and the list goes on.

What I would like to see is an image that you created that breaks any of these rules or any other you have learned from your travels in the world of photography. Please tell us why you felt breaking the rule would generate the kind of feeling, emotion, look, balance, story, whatever.

I know for the longest time I would fall back on these rules to critique an image, the more I have looked a images of professionals the more I see the rules tossed out the window for reasons of artistic expression.

So break the rules not for breaking the rules sake but to express your artistic vision.

I will post some examples of the idea soon with my reason but for now I want you all to think about your own images and why you want to break the rules.

Lets go two weeks on this so that you have two weekends to shoot and a day to put up your final image.

Judgment day will be July 9th the day after my birthday, you better hope I had a great weekend and birthday so that my critiques are kind. Just kidding.

liberate your mind and your creativity, have some fun.

Edit 3 images per person.


So here are a couple of examples.

horizon near dead center.
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I wanted to put the tree and stacks near the top of the frame and include the water action in the foreground. splitting the image contrast the cool colors against the warm colors. and the motion of the tide against the relative calm of the sky.

Never shoot down on a child.
shooting down put better light on my grandsons eyes and cleaned up the background, to top it off I just liked the way he look kind of like am I in trouble for getting colors on my face?
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Don't center your subject.
It may not be perfectly centered but close enough. I centered the subject because the pattern looked much better centered than any other way I could frame the thistle.
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I think these are good examples of breaking rules to make a better image.

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"Never clip the feathers in a bird shot" I like the way this looks, the strong diagonal line from the upper right to the lower left stablizes the shot.

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Good example Thunder, the clipping doesn't really detract from the overall look of the image. Was this shot at a very high ISO there is a lot of noise in the image that does affect the detail in the feathers.

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Nothing artistic about this, it's dead center fill the frame , coming right at you photograph. I framed the viewfinder to get what was necessary (the runner). This is the type of shot the parents buy...no clutter...just a photo of their child in competition.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:58 pm 
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Judging by the shadow you broke the rule of don't shoot during midday sun. The runner seems to be looking right at you.

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You didn't say how many images just "a final image." Is that 1, 3, or 20?? :D :D :D

I have more open/negative space behind the runner. I did this to have an obviously feel that this was a Christmas tree with the blurred ornament in the background and some blurred sting beads in the front. I was given the runner ornament 20 years ago as a gift for pacing one of my female runners through a sub 38:00 10K race. I sent the photograph as a Christmas card to her this past Christmas.

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Scott, it was high noon and I wasn't wearing a hat...ouch!!!!

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ScottHadl wrote:
Good example Thunder, the clipping doesn't really detract from the overall look of the image. Was this shot at a very high ISO there is a lot of noise in the image that does affect the detail in the feathers.


Thank you Scott :)

As to the high ISO question, one word...Topaz :D

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One more weekend, remember this is your choice of subject, and all you need to do is break any photo rule you like in a creative way.

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I almost always unconsciously follow the rules, but here's the best examples I could find of breaking them:

Cut off the very tip of the Cloud Gate:

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Morning at the Cloud Gate by Matthew Crowley Photography, on Flickr

Super shallow depth of field on wildlife:

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Cute as a Button by Matthew Crowley Photography, on Flickr

Left no white space around the edges:

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Physical Graffiti by Matthew Crowley Photography, on Flickr

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Mathew, I think we all get like that to some extent following rules that make us comfortable. If we can start to break the rules to make interesting images not just to break the rules we start to thing more critically about our images. The lst image is a good example of breaking the rules for affect.

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I've been looking through my lens this week, and even through my archives. It seems like when I break the rules, the outcome is punishment for me and for the viewer. (I'll keep trudging along!)

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 2:46 am 
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One more day to shoot and post something. Some fine examples of breaking the rules there is still room for someone to step in a steal this one. I find it interesting to attempt to break the rules and try and make something nice. I find it does reenforce the rules for many of my images but every once in a while something stands out. Landscapes at noon in harsh light, not every landscape has to be taken during that magic hour.

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Here is an embarrassing yet true story.
My wife had a two week work assignment in Prague, Czech Republic that had finished a few days early. Her company had paid the hotel through the weekend so on a Thursday morning my wife called me and said" I used frequent flier miles... leave work early your flight leaves at 2PM!" I bid adieu to the boss, rushed home, tossed some clothes and an Olympus point & shoot camera into my gym bag... I was traveling light and on the run. I had won the Olympus recently in a sports photography contest, yep a P&S was the prize in a photo contest. :? I had yet unpack the camera from it's original box.

Approaching the midnight hour my first night while staggering through the historic town square in Prague Center I stopped to snap a beautiful scenic image. :shock:
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1) point & shoot camera never used before this day
2) didn't know what focus was worse; the camera or my current eyesight
3) shooting at night; complete Auto settings 6mm * ISO 640 * f/3.1 * shutter 1/8 *
4) shooting in a light misty rain, at night, during the wee hours of Beerfest in Auto without any secure base for the camera. I may have used my wife's shoulder as a base for this but I'm not certain. This was the best of 10 or 12 attempts.
5) snapping a few shots without regard to the subject...just snap a shot of the square...it looks cool

My wife & I call this photo "Monet visits Prague" It may be out of focus etc... but it is just how I remember it!!!! :lol:

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so I have been thinking about this for a while now. The main thing for me is breaking the rules for effect. The one image that made me think this is really nice even with the broken rule was Philips "Monet visits Prague", the softness of the image gives it a unique feel and the image could still be printed and posted with some pride.

For this challenge I hope I opened your eyes to challenge the rules to make a better image not just to break the rules. Please feel free to revisit this thread with images where you have tossed the rules out the window and post the image here. I have been reading a few so called progress photography books much of what I see is questionable as to the quality of the art, however a few images stand out to me that are not traditional and definatly break the rules of the statues quo.


Philip looking forward to the next challenge.

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Mathew a close second with your composition of the windows the tight crop was a good idea and worked well making a very nice non traditional composition.

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I wasn't expecting the honor and deep down I like the image because guess I didn't hit the delete button. I'll get something up soon.

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Congratulations, Phil!

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Congrats Phil :D

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